Episode 123
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Thanks for joining me today on 5 g Talent Talk. I'm Keri Charles, your host, and I'm really, really happy that you're here. I am also very happy to have my friend. I would consider her, I guess, my boss with w w l f, which we'll talk about in a minute. Most one of the most respected women in the telecom industry, Lynn Witcher, with me today.
Speaker 1:She is the general counsel for MD 7 and she is the president of the Women's Wireless Leadership Forum, also known as WWLF. Lynn, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming on the show.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Carrie. It's such a pleasure to be here with you, and I certainly don't consider myself your boss at all. We are, we are a great group of talented, amazing, dedicated women. We are here to support each other.
Speaker 1:So I love it.
Speaker 2:Colleagues, if you will.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love that. So, Lynn, I I just wanna know more about your past. I mean, your story's amazing. You know, how did you get to where you are today in leadership?
Speaker 2:Thank you for that, Carrie. So I'll start with I'll weave it into my my wireless origin story, if you will. I I am a lawyer by training, and I worked at a firm, as a litigator, in Los Angeles. But, one of the the clients that that firm served was one of the tier one carriers. So we were outside real estate counsel for a major carrier.
Speaker 2:And I remember, at the time, not really understanding what it was that that group did. And so I asked my, you know, I asked my friends, my peers. Peers. I said, hey. You know, what do they do over there, you know, for this wireless carrier?
Speaker 2:And they're like, yeah. They put up those, you know, those cell sites. And I was like, what's a cell site? They're like, yeah. You know what?
Speaker 2:Those giant fake trees that you see off the 405. And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. This is probably 2001. I had no idea. I drove by, you know, these giant monopines on the 405 and just never really paid attention.
Speaker 2:But, of course, once you see it, you can't unsee it. So now, you know, I'm a leader of every single cell site and my family sends me pictures and they're like, did you guys build this? And I'm like, no. We did not do that. We're not responsible for that.
Speaker 2:So, anyway, our our thought at the time was that the telecom group would be, they were project based. They'd be out of a job in 18 months. And I, you know, and I asked my colleagues, I said, hey. Why do you say that? You know, I talked to those guys.
Speaker 2:It doesn't seem like they think that they're gonna be, you know, done, anytime soon, and they're like, yeah. How many cell towers do you need? Just put them up, you know, from coast to coast, and then they're done. They'll be, you know, in every NFL city, and and and and they'll they'll move on to another project. And, you know, here we are, 2024.
Speaker 2:We're still building. And, so, you know, certainly my colleagues were, were were incorrect about the future of the the wireless industry. And I think over time, as I got married and I kind of lived my life, I moved from litigation to a transactional practice, the telecom practice being the largest practice, in the Los Angeles office of, my law firm at the time, McGuireWoods. I transitioned to telecom, and my my hope was to go in house. And, certainly, I have done that now.
Speaker 2:I worked, at McGuireWoods, for a few years servicing that telecom client and then, moved to MD 7 as associate general counsel and then ultimately general counsel. And, you know, when when you're a lawyer working in a law firm, especially working on these telecom contracts, they you you don't really get out of the office very much. And my history as a litigator, I was used to going to court all the time and going to depositions all the time. So I wanted to go out. I wanted to go see the cell sites, and I wanted to meet our major MLA partners.
Speaker 2:You know, I remember going to mobility's offices, and it was really kind of one of the first times anyone from the McGuireWoods office, like, left to go visit one of the clients, and they were like, why you know, did you need to do that? Like, yes. I wanna build relationships. You know? So I think I've always just kind of been more relational in that sense.
Speaker 2:And so I got active in California Wireless, active in WWLF at the, recommendation of a client, actually. They said, hey. There's a really organization for women. Your office should consider joining. And, the rest is history, I guess.
Speaker 2:I've been with WWLF, I wanna say 15 years now. So
Speaker 1:Wow. You know, I've been with WLF as a member, I believe. I've been in the industry, I think, 8 years. Been a member, I think, since day 1, and then I've been on the board, gosh, I think about a year after I became a member and, leading industry relations. So it has just it again, we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 1:In fact, let's talk about it now. You know, who is WWLF? Again, Women's Wireless Leadership Forum. And, you know, why do we need it?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Love to address that. So who is WWLF? We are a professional we are a volunteer organization, comprised of professionals in the wireless industry, and our mission is to support the success of women in our industry through education, networking, and opportunities. That's what our website will tell you.
Speaker 2:Why do we need it? You know, it's interesting, especially with all of the the the changes in in the landscape of DE and I, certainly in the last 18 months or so. I think it's the wrong question, honestly. When you at the VWLF is like any, enterprise. Right?
Speaker 2:Who are our members, it's, you know, the the telecommunication industry. Do we provide value? Absolutely. We're doing so many amazing things. And, I look at all of the great leaders that we have coming up through the city rep program and through our, our board of directors.
Speaker 2:And, you know, the opportunities that we have to give them leadership roles and, you know, providing them with opportunities to meet c level executives, you know, vice presidents of companies nationwide. It really helps them in their personal growth and development. And, you know, we have we're very blessed to have some amazing sponsors who see us as partners for their existing, employee resources groups, internally, the ERGs internally. And it's just a place where we can just kind of come alongside some great companies in the industry and the great people in the industry and really, provide opportunities for leadership, but to do that in a way where you're having fun. If you've gone to a WWLF, networking reception at ConnectX or Mobile World Congress, or even at some of the regional, conferences, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:And it's there's amazing opportunities there. So does the industry need WWLF? Yes. Absolutely. Look at our impact.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yes. Agreed. How is WWLF connected to the Wireless Infrastructure Association, WIA?
Speaker 2:It's a great question. Actually, I didn't even realize our connection, until I joined the board. So I'm sure that's the case for many people. Now we've just recently gone through a rebrand, so I think that you will see in our new logo, it says WWLF powered by WIA. And so it makes that connection very clear.
Speaker 2:WWLF is not a stand alone, business entity. We are not a 501c6 in the sense that your state wireless associations might be. We are actually, a part of, the wireless infrastructure association. So we work hand in hand with Patrick Halle, Deb Bennett, Tim House, all the really wonderful people at WIA, and I actually really love that. You know, I've I've I've been the president of California Wireless, and that's certainly an amazing opportunity.
Speaker 2:I've I've been the president of other organizations, but WWLF is national, and we are powered by this really amazing organization in WIA. We have really amazing opportunities that are brought to us through that partnership. And I'm thinking about the, the wireless, leaders, luncheon in DC that Patrick Halle started, 2 years ago. That was a really amazing opportunity to bring some policy folks from the hill together with the infrastructure folks, and kinda celebrate the, contributions of women in the industry. And we have a professional development, symposium, a half day symposium, the day before ConnectX.
Speaker 2:So Monday, May 13th from 1 to 5. That is an opportunity that, Patrick and his team at WIA were able to, bring to us. So I I I I love the content that we are able to bring to, to our members through support from WIA.
Speaker 1:So let's talk briefly about ConnectX. It is a WIA event. Right? So tell us more about that and then how WWLF is involved, maybe opportunities to get connected there at ConnectX because it's not too late to register or get involved.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And if I know anything about telecom, I know there are people listening to your podcast who have not registered. We're gonna do that day of when they arrive and they realize that they haven't registered, or they'll do that, like, 3 days before, the event. ConnectX is one of the most exciting, conferences in our space. If you are in wireless, communication infrastructure, it's a place to go.
Speaker 2:Really amazing content from the educational sense. I like to go because I like the policy updates. I think those are always really fantastic. But the other thing that you can do is attend our, networking reception. And, you know, the WIA the ConnectX conference is it's thousands of people.
Speaker 2:I mean, I have to imagine it's, you know, north of 3,500 kind of, approaching 4,000 people. It's easy to get lost in such a large group. Right? Especially if you're new to the industry or you're maybe you're you're not someone who's, traveling nationally a lot. And the WWLF networking reception allows you to be in a room with very focused people who are there to have a good time, to meet new people, be very supportive.
Speaker 2:So maybe, you and 500 of your closest friends, can connect, and and a lot of people really look forward to that event because it's a great it's a great end to an amazing, week of, you know, education networking opportunity.
Speaker 1:Yes. And that event is gonna be on, it's Thursday evening. Right? Yes. And then you can get a ticket to that event by becoming a member, or how do we get a ticket to it?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So there's there it's act there's a a new element to that. So I'm glad you asked this question. So, traditionally, the way that you attend our event is if you are a member, it's free. It's one of the benefits of of membership.
Speaker 2:So for just under $100, you get a free admission to the networking reception at Mobile World Congress in the fall Mobile World Congress America, not Barcelona. And, also, the ConnectX event, you know, in May. And you also have access to, obviously, all of a lot of other content. This year, if you register for a VIP ticket at ConnectX, you will also get admission to, to our event.
Speaker 1:Got it. Okay. Good. Good. I'm glad we know about that.
Speaker 1:So let's go back to WWLF, the programs that we offer. And can you just hit some highlights there? Because I know there's so many.
Speaker 2:There really are so many. One of the the best ways, if you are not currently active in participating in programs is to get involved in our, our monthly motivation and mugs. It's gonna sound maybe silly or trite to people who haven't been a part of it, but I will tell you it's very powerful. And I don't know why it works, but I do know that it works. So the 1st Monday of every month, we get on a call for about 45 minutes.
Speaker 2:And, you know, if there's new faces, we let those folks, introduce themselves, tell us about their company and where they are, and then we'll, we'll we'll have some kind of inspirational quote or idea that we're kind of brainstorming around or sharing around. And, you know, what is the secret sauce? Why is WWLF still doing virtual kind of coffee hour programs, you know, 4 years after COVID? I don't know why it works, but I all I can think of is that we have authentic connections with people. We are very welcoming of new faces, and it's an easy way to feel very connected.
Speaker 2:Beyond that, I would say we've got some great programming at the city level. We just celebrated Earth Day volunteer projects in many cities, in April, and I'm really proud of the work that the CDREPS are doing. I feel like we have never had such a strong group of engaged, creative, dedicated women out there serving the community, serving the, the industry, and, we also are rolling out some new programs. So and I know Patrick Hallie talked about this a little bit, but we launched Telecom Trail Blazers, which is WWLF's outreach into the schools, to get folks curious and interested in a STEM career in telecom, not just a STEM career, not just STEM careers for girls, but STEM careers in telecom because I'm sure it's the case for you and for me. We didn't go to school thinking we were gonna work in network infrastructure.
Speaker 2:I didn't even get a cell phone until graduate school. And then
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, because I had a pager. I remember hearing that we were all gonna have mobile phones in our pockets. Like, everyone would be carrying a mobile device, and I was like, that's silly. Just get your page, pull over, throw a dime in the pay phone.
Speaker 2:Because, obviously, what are they gonna do with those pay phones? Like, they're never gonna go away. So Right. And, you know, and and who knew that? I mean, I I carry 2 mobile devices, actually, in addition to my connected tablets and all the other connected devices that I have.
Speaker 2:So, it's been very different. But let's get let's let's have our generation be the last generation of people who who who fall into the industry. You know, we have such a great need for, amazing talent to build the network of the future. We've gotta reach into the schools earlier. If you look at, especially if you look at, the interest of girls in STEM, you know, it you know, they're from a performance perspective in middle school, girls perform on par with boys on, in science and math.
Speaker 2:But as they get closer to to college, as they're kind of rising up into high school, their interest in stem wanes. And then certainly at the high school level and then going into college, we see this huge drop in numbers. So I know you have a daughter who is pursuing a STEM career in in in university. She's she's the exception. She really is.
Speaker 2:And so how do we make it where she's seeing, more female faces in her her classrooms? Amelia de Jesus' daughter is a, she she is pursuing a STEM career at the University of Alabama. She says in almost engine every engineering class she's in, she's the only female. We've got to do better. And so really excited to to be able to create change and and to create impact for future generations.
Speaker 1:Well, how can we get involved with w w l f? What is the website and then also just becoming a member and getting connected? How how do we do this?
Speaker 2:If you're if you're not a member, now is the time to do it, right before ConnectX so you can take advantage of all of the offerings we offer there. We didn't even talk about the free headshots that we offer at the show.
Speaker 1:Oh, right.
Speaker 2:All these other benefits, but, check out our website at wwwlf. Org. I was gonna say www.wwwlf.org. So definitely date me because I Wait. Too many w's.
Speaker 2:The w's at the front anymore. So I tried to be a little bit smoother, than I that I was able to to to carry out. But, yes, wwlf.org.
Speaker 1:Yes. And and you can learn all about the other programs and fellowship and mentoring and professional development and webinars. And, I mean, it would take hours probably to tell to talk about everything that we're doing now and how different it is than the past. So I'm really excited. Good.
Speaker 2:In fact, when we roll out corporate drives, with our larger sponsors, we we will do a webinar just dedicated to all of the programs that we do offer. It's, it's it's quite a bit.
Speaker 1:Good. Yes. It is. Yes. It is.
Speaker 1:So there's, there's also I mean, there's employers. Speaking of of corporate drives. Right? There's employers that are supportive. And talk a little bit about that because I know that your employer, MD 7, was very supportive with you getting involved because, you know, to be on the board and especially in a leadership position like you have, I mean, that takes a lot of time.
Speaker 2:Yes. That's absolutely true. So when I interviewed at MD 7, in my interview with Tom Leto, who is a friend of the show. He's been interviewed by you before. You know, he asked me in my interview, would you consider joining an organization industry called WWLF?
Speaker 2:It's a really great program for women. We haven't been able to get some traction, you know, to get some women in our company to join. And it was funny because at that time, I just opened my, my portfolio, and I handed him my my WWLF board card. I was, I was, brand management at the time, and I said, yes. I am active in WWLF.
Speaker 2:I'm actually on its board, and it floored him, honestly. And, you know, so so WWLF and, you know, my journey, at MD 7, really kind of started from even before I got hired. In my actual interview, my company was, very supportive of our organization. And, it was interesting because after my interview, I called the president of WWLF. I said, hey.
Speaker 2:Have you heard of this company? They seem to know us. They know WWLF. What can you tell me about it? And, I I spent quite a bit of time talking to the president of WWWF about this company because I was gonna have to relocate from LA to San Diego to move there, and, and she had nothing but great things to say.
Speaker 2:So you never know, how, your employer support will show up. But, you know, I was just talking to Taylor Sierra, one of our our board members. She's the, executive director of membership. We were talking about how important it is for your employer to support your time at WWLF. It is you know, it there are going to be times when you're gonna spend many hours, you know, preparing for events like ConnectX, and, you know, our best volunteers give above and beyond.
Speaker 2:And so if you want to travel to our local events, travel to regional events, travel to national events, you definitely need that support of your employer. And it's one thing when you have to sell it to your employer. Certainly, that can be done. We I think we offer value. But when your employer is already bought in, it makes things so much easier.
Speaker 2:We know how that, you know, support, that championship from from your senior leadership, it is so critical to your career. And so, for all of the amazing sponsors that we have out there, thank you for all that you're doing to support, you know, your employees and, their their leadership journey through our organization.
Speaker 1:And we have so many sponsorship opportunities too and partnership opportunities for companies and show your support of women in the industry for sure. I would like just a a brief explanation of, you know, who is m d 7? What do you do? Who do you do it for? I know that Tom Leto was on the show.
Speaker 1:We can, go back in the archives and listen. You know? He he had an amazing show, but let's just, give a a quick commercial.
Speaker 2:Sure. So our our marketing will tell you that, MD 7 is a digital infrastructure consultancy serving operators, worldwide. We have provided services across, 6 continents in 28 languages and counting. All of that being said, here here's for for those in the industry, here's what you need to know. We provide landlord management services so if you call, certain operators in Europe or in the US, you know, if you're a landlord, you're looking for your rent check, or you're, you know, there's an issue with a cell site, MD7 picks up the phone.
Speaker 2:So, we we provide services like that, contract auditing, things like that. We do site development, both for telecommunications and other, digital infrastructure, EV, and and other and and other areas. And then we have a, pretty robust, lease negotiation, program. So it actually our very first client in 2001 was AT and T in this lease negotiation program. We still have that project operational today.
Speaker 1:Wow. So how can companies support women better in telecom, and, really, where do they fall short?
Speaker 2:So I think it's about how they support their leaders. You know, if they happen to be women, they happen to be women. You know, are you, taking the time to build a relationship with your employees, especially your rising stars, understanding, you know, what is their career trajectory and then looking for opportunities. I know at MD 7, you know, of course, we like to get women involved in WWF. Although, if males wanted to join WWF, they're certainly welcome to.
Speaker 2:We actually have a pretty good percentage of, male supporters as members of our organization. We're very blessed that way. But, you know, beyond that, we're always looking at, you know, investing in them as thought leaders, you know, making sure that they're going to conferences or watching programming that helps them understand where they are in the industry and then having conversations about, you know, the future. What are our strategies? Right?
Speaker 2:So I think especially coming off of 2023, a challenging year for telecom, you know, every one of our leaders is involved in in these peer coaching sessions, you know, at their level. So we start at the team lead level and then the manager level, then we have our rising directors, and then we have our senior leadership team. And and we have conversations about where are the challenges, where are the opportunities, you know, where do we wanna go in the future. And I think that that communication is very key. And then as part of that, for folks that are called for greater service, and it has to be a calling, right, to if you wanna serve at a state wireless association or in WWLF or a similar organization, you know, we're always very happy to to to support that.
Speaker 2:But it takes time. It takes energy, and it takes and it takes, you know, focus.
Speaker 1:Yes. No. It really does. Has the diversity conversation changed over the past, really, since since COVID, right, since 2020? What what are your thoughts there?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And so, you know, the pendulum swung, right, you know, after joy George Floyd and and the social justice process. And then they swung the pendulum swung the other way, with the Harvard case rulings and the impact certainly in education, but then the, that has kind of expanded to the corporate world. So I do think, you know, the the buzzword of DE and I certainly has gone through some changes, but I think that that's also a distraction. So So think about what we do because I've been the benefit of diversity programs my entire career.
Speaker 2:I, you know, my I come from a a working class, like, entrepreneur background. I I, you know, I'm the first in my family to graduate college, the only lawyer in in my family. And so, you know, I didn't have a built in network, but I did participate in some great programming through McGuireWoods, my employer through some bar associations that I joined. And it was really it wasn't so much about supporting women or supporting, you know, Asians. Right?
Speaker 2:Something like that. It was about good hearted people who wanted to invest in the next generation of leaders. And I think if you look at it that way, if you look at, like, where's the talent, where are the opportunities to invest in people, right, who you see are, are very high potential, right, or who maybe need some guidance, you provide an environment where you can help them in their journey. You're giving back to the community. That's what you're getting out of it.
Speaker 2:But, certainly, you're creating some amazing and authentic relationships along the way. I think that that's what it's about. So if that happens to happen through an organization for women, you know, I I I think that's really secondary. It really is about the people and about investing in, future generations.
Speaker 1:So how do women experience maximum career growth and development in telecom? You know, do we is it up to us to take charge of our professional growth? I know sometimes companies provide that and do a really good job, and then sometimes they really don't have formalized programs for career development.
Speaker 2:Well, as a CEO, you know how hard it is to run a company. Mhmm. And if you're a serial entrepreneur as well. Right? It's not easy.
Speaker 2:Right. And there are going to be a lot of obstacles in your way, whether you're a woman or a male, if you're, you know, what despite your your race or your capabilities or, you know, your neurodiversity or whatever. Right? Maybe where you went to school, where you didn't go to school, who your parents are, what church they belong in, or whatever. There's all these different factors.
Speaker 2:Right? Maybe it's a skill set that you didn't develop, you know, etcetera, etcetera. So there's all kinds of of challenges out there. And I think that the reality is to be successful at a, at an executive level, you have got to invest a ton in yourself as an employee, as a contributor, as a brand, and, you know, and really kind of understand how are you gonna highlight, you know, your employer or your company that you're running, and how do you provide real value? And you have to continuously evolve.
Speaker 2:And so I think that, you know, for the women out there or for men or, you know, however you identify, the challenge is is is essentially the same. You're the process you're gonna go through is the same. You know, invest in yourself, provide value, make connections, find the right opportunity. And if you aren't, you know, in a place where you have opportunity now, maybe that is just a sign that your opportunity lies elsewhere, and that's okay. But be really honest, and and create those relationships.
Speaker 1:You know, we were on a call a while back and you said something that was I think it was just really, really powerful about, you know, a paradigm shift for women to really stop focusing on and talking about what's against us and talk more about what's for us, our strengths. Right? So shift the conversation into that we we have an advantage. Right? Empower ourselves.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I love being a woman in telecom. First of all, telecom as an industry itself is amazing. There are a ton of supporters out there. Right?
Speaker 2:It's one of the reasons why we love going to conferences like ConnectX. We're gonna go see our friends, right, and, find new opportunities. Within that realm, the the power of the the WWF network, the authentic support system that we have, I think is really wonderful. And even beyond that, you know, at the leadership level, we're having really meaningful conversations about very tough things, whether that's, you know, pivoting in an economic challenge, you know, or what have you. And I think that, actually, I love being a woman, in this industry.
Speaker 2:And, you know, to the extent that anyone, like, has an old fashioned idea that maybe women can't lead, or, you know, what whatever. I can't think of all the things that could be in someone's head. But if you're under estimating me, I welcome that, because I will just push right through. So, you know, I I think that for myself now it may not be approach that aligns with everyone out there. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:This is just my personal experience and kinda how I how I approach things. I don't see the limits. I just see the opportunities. And, you know, if certainly, have I seen roadblocks in my career? Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna go around and keep going. What I what I am gonna do is keep going and pushing forward. And I think if you look at the leaders on our board, you know, Taylor Sierra, Arleth Carbajal, Lauren Goff. Right? We have some, mate even even beyond just our board, that next generation of of leaders, Rachel Metzler, Talisha Germain.
Speaker 2:These are women. They're gonna get stuff done. Do not stand in their way. You know? And so that is what gets me so excited.
Speaker 2:And I just if all I could do is just spend time just hearing about their successes, Leanne Sippen, I think she's at DISH today doing a STEM program for her company. You know? I mean, they they just take an idea and they run with it and they execute, and they're amazing. And we're and I couldn't even tell you all the things that we are doing today because there are so many great leaders out there just getting things done.
Speaker 1:Lynn, what advice would you give to a woman who wants to move further into leadership, maybe to an executive role?
Speaker 2:Sure. I I think what I've been able to do that MD 7, and I hope that it's it's helpful for others is, number 1, is understanding the entrepreneurs of the company. And I was not an entrepreneur coming in. I do not have an MBA. I don't have a business degree, so I had to learn it.
Speaker 2:So I had to learn the business, the business of what we do. I certainly understood cell site deployment, but, you know, the p and l sheet and, you know, what are the strategic, considerations that we have to consider? Understanding the global, aspect of telecom, not just in the US. Right? Understand the value proposition of our company, and that gets redefined.
Speaker 2:I've been here I've been here 11 years. We went through a rebrand a few years ago, and we had to relearn our place at a ever evolving industry. Right? So understand that. And then understand, you know, what are the challenges for the industry and then what are the challenges for, the economy as a whole.
Speaker 2:You have to understand where you fit in that big picture. And as a tasker, when you come in as a project control specialist or a a lease consultant, you probably don't have those insights. That's something that you have to acquire. So the education, both self education, but also through conferences like ConnectX and other opportunities, regional conferences like wireless west, South Wireless Summit. Just start learning.
Speaker 2:Start to understand the clients. You know, if they're having economic challenges, you need to understand that as well. And then be a problem solver. So, you know, what is your value proposition? What is your role?
Speaker 2:So as a lawyer, my value to the company is not my legal acumen. Certainly, that's something I do, you know, as part of my day job, but I'm a strategic thinker. I ask a lot of questions. So when I come into a room, my role as as a as an executive of this company is to just listen, be curious, And if if if something doesn't seem like it makes sense to me or if I want to learn more, I ask those tough questions, quite frankly.
Speaker 1:Oh, brilliant. And something you said, boy, I love this quote. I should get get everyone t shirts with this on it. I don't see limits. I see opportunities.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think as women, that's where we need to stand.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I you know, in talking to in talking to CEOs like yourself and talking to VPs, that is a common theme that I've kinda discovered is like, yeah. You know, there are of course, there's challenges, but I never let that get in my way.
Speaker 1:I love it. Lynn, I could talk to you all day. Let's close with, information. Right? The w w l f website, let's give that again.
Speaker 1:Let's also where can we reach m d seven, that website?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. So wwwlf's website is wwwlf.org, and you can learn learn more about md7@md7.com. Thank you
Speaker 1:so much. Thank you, Lynn, for coming on the show. This has been wonderful, and I am gonna see you in a couple of weeks at ConnectX.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Thank you, Carrie.
Speaker 1:Take care.
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